DUST Search - My dear Forum Fellows, I'm taking a break

Jak'Saan wrote:

Keri Starlight wrote:

Jak'Saan wrote:

Maybe I am missing the point. Is this a "Please buff the AR" post? Really? Everyone one else on these forums (non-AR users) are yelling "HD fixes made AR OP" (and if we are honest with ourselves, all other weapons that were buffed to compensate for previous bad HD, not to mention a whole whack of nerfs to various things to pretend HD was better than it was).

I don't understand the AR community. It's like a constant theme of "Please make easy mode easier!"

I don't mean to be rude, I don't. And I am not meaning to troll. I am just as equally frustrated with this build, but apparently for the exact opposite reasons as the Op.

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I though it was clear that I don't like the AR buff in 1.7. I rarely use the AR, I dislike it.

I'm asking for the Breach, the Burst, the Tactical and the Laser Rifle (it's confirmed, the Laser will be buffed) to be buffed.

I thought it was clear... maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. In this case, my apologies.

Well in this case how about all those variants stay the same and AR takes a major nerf? Otherwise your logic sounds like:

"It's not fair that the AR is so OP, please make all other variants similarly OP or more!" Again, Really?


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Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1998	Posted - 2013.11.13 14:19:00 - [1] - Quote I'm taking a break from posting. It doesn't mean that I'm not going to post at all, but I won't be a regular presence here until 1.7. Why? I've noticed that when you're frustrated with the game, you can no longer post constructively. I'm not a Forum Troll or a QQer, I want to use these Forums for their intended purpose and I'm finding too difficult to do so without turning my positive posting into a QQ about what's about to happen to my weapon. In other words, I'm "giving time" to CCP to release the new content and understand that they completely messed up my weapon, negating its purpose on the battlefield (at least the Laser Rifle will definitely get some love, as CCP confirmed it). I seize the chance to remind you that, contrarily to what some people think, the AR is about to be buffed, not nerfed, as its optimal range will be extended from 42m to 48m at PRO tier, while leaving the Burst AR basically unchanged (51m -> 50m ADV; 53m -> 54m PRO) and nerfing the Tactical AR (62m -> 55m ADV; 65m -> 60m PRO). As you can easily understand, all the AR's are going to have comparable ranges (48-54-60), leaving absolutely no reason to use any AR variant outside of the basic model. The Burst and the Tactical AR also have a significantly lower DPS compared to their counterparts, Combat and Scrambler rifles, even though they are Blaster tech, and the Assault versions of the Combat, Scrambler and Rail rifles are going to outrange and outdamage the Burst and the Tactical AR's. The Breach AR will be buffed to the same optimal range of the Standard AR, which is interesting, but the normal AR is still a better choice, of course. Unfortunately, I do not believe that CCP will be looking at this completely flawed weapon design without any pressure so, as soon as 1.7 is released, I will start a massive battle on the Forums to rebalance all the AR variants, since all the other rifles have decent variants except the AR. When people say that variants are supposed to be weaker, which is not true, because they already are much more expensive both ISK and SP wise, they forget that the ASCR is a very solid weapon and the numbers suggest that the Assault Combat Rifle and the Assault Rail Rifle are going to be extremely good weapons. I'm reserving some of my arguments and data for 1.7. CCP seem to listen to rants and QQ rather than solid posting with numbers and logic, so I don't know if they are ever going to listen to me. People complained about the Tactical AR having more range than the Scrambler, which already was a superior gun in terms of accuracy, ROF, DPS, charge mechanic, etc... (Thanks to these people, really really thank you: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1009163#post1009163) What CCP did? They buffed the Scrambler's range from 48 to 78m without, AND they nerfed the Tactical AR's range! Did they give some rebalance to the Tac AR to compensate this losses? No, they buffed the AR's range instead! CCP randomly destroy our favorite weapons, promoting FOTM chasing and they constantly let us down, forcing us to use stuff we don't really enjoy only to stay competitve. Now, I will spec in both Rail Rifle and Scrambler Rifle. Is this right to you? Is this right that I have to say goodbye to an already gimped, underused, niche weapon because they randomly decide to s**w it even more without ant logic reason!? This is all. I might be posting if I see some nice thread I want to support, but for the rest I'll be out and I will come back in 1.7 to have my weapon back. Au revoir, Forum Warriors. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"*
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2003	Posted - 2013.11.13 14:41:00 - [2] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Just saying, I was your 2000th like. You're welcome, I'll expect your payment whenever you return. Is it the same if I'll keep you in a special place of my heart? -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2005	Posted - 2013.11.13 14:51:00 - [3] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Atiim wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Just saying, I was your 2000th like. You're welcome, I'll expect your payment whenever you return. Is it the same if I'll keep you in a special place of my heart? Well first you'd have to remove the TAC AR.... Or she could like ask, Whats going through your brain right now? and then when he's about to answer, pull a headshot with the Tac... In some way, the final thing going through his mind would be the Tactical Ar :p LOL! -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2005	Posted - 2013.11.13 14:56:00 - [4] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Who are you? What do you want to know about me? The night is young and there's time to talk, baby. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2008	Posted - 2013.11.13 15:07:00 - [5] - Quote Anarchide wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! ...we've just met, yet! Take care. ...and take some quality time to pet an Otter when you're sad. It helps! I'm still playing the game and I'll be back to the Forums in 1.7. But it's gonna be an "Angry Keri"... -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2009	Posted - 2013.11.13 15:11:00 - [6] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Anarchide wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! ...we've just met, yet! Take care. ...and take some quality time to pet an Otter when you're sad. It helps! I'm still playing the game and I'll be back to the Forums in 1.7. But it's gonna be an "Angry Keri"... Its gonna end badly for me in 1.7 when you have a gun with "19" rounds in it :p AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Ok, people won't understand this one, but I did and I loved it! XD -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2010	Posted - 2013.11.13 15:39:00 - [7] - Quote Pandora Mars wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Who are you? lol, I wonder why people have to post something like this just to be a ***head. She's quite active on the Forums (she's got 2000 likes), so if you really don't recognize her, you must be very focused on yourself and your tank and obviously you don't give a crap about anything else. Hey, don't bother, it's an Internet Forum after all -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"*
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2013	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:53:00 - [8] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Maybe I am missing the point. Is this a "Please buff the AR" post? Really? Everyone one else on these forums (non-AR users) are yelling "HD fixes made AR OP" (and if we are honest with ourselves, all other weapons that were buffed to compensate for previous bad HD, not to mention a whole whack of nerfs to various things to pretend HD was better than it was). I don't understand the AR community. It's like a constant theme of "Please make easy mode easier!" I don't mean to be rude, I don't. And I am not meaning to troll. I am just as equally frustrated with this build, but apparently for the exact opposite reasons as the Op. ..... I though it was clear that I don't like the AR buff in 1.7. I rarely use the AR, I dislike it. I'm asking for the Breach, the Burst, the Tactical and the Laser Rifle (it's confirmed, the Laser will be buffed) to be buffed. I thought it was clear... maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. In this case, my apologies. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2013	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:56:00 - [9] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: All I see here is: WAAAAA WAAAAA WAAAA MOMMY I WANT MY AR BACK!!! HTFU AR scrub. LOL, did you even read the thread? The part where I complain about AR being buffed and variants being too weak? Are you stupid or something? -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2013	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:57:00 - [10] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: so what kind of love did the LR get? Still nothing, but CCP confirmed that GM wants to give it some love -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"

Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2015	Posted - 2013.11.13 17:07:00 - [11] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: All I see here is: WAAAAA WAAAAA WAAAA MOMMY I WANT MY AR BACK!!! HTFU AR scrub. LOL, did you even read the thread? The part where I complain about AR being buffed and variants being too weak? Are you stupid or something? First AR QQ thread. Grats to you sir. Very simple: The AR was already extremely powerful and it's being buffed. The Tac AR was balanced and it's being nerfed. This is what my topic is about. Do you think it's fair? Do you think it's good design? -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2016	Posted - 2013.11.13 17:11:00 - [12] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Jak'Saan wrote: Maybe I am missing the point. Is this a "Please buff the AR" post? Really? Everyone one else on these forums (non-AR users) are yelling "HD fixes made AR OP" (and if we are honest with ourselves, all other weapons that were buffed to compensate for previous bad HD, not to mention a whole whack of nerfs to various things to pretend HD was better than it was). I don't understand the AR community. It's like a constant theme of "Please make easy mode easier!" I don't mean to be rude, I don't. And I am not meaning to troll. I am just as equally frustrated with this build, but apparently for the exact opposite reasons as the Op. ..... I though it was clear that I don't like the AR buff in 1.7. I rarely use the AR, I dislike it. I'm asking for the Breach, the Burst, the Tactical and the Laser Rifle (it's confirmed, the Laser will be buffed) to be buffed. I thought it was clear... maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. In this case, my apologies. Well in this case how about all those variants stay the same and AR takes a major nerf? Otherwise your logic sounds like: "It's not fair that the AR is so OP, please make all other variants similarly OP or more!" Again, Really? Sighs Do you think I would be complaining if they didn't buff the AR and nerf the Tac? The Laser Rifle will be useless too. What about the poor Laser? Outdamaged and outranged by the Rail Rifle. Does this sound ok to you? If they buff the AR they need to buff these weapons too. Period. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2017	Posted - 2013.11.13 17:24:00 - [13] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: so what kind of love did the LR get? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412603#post1412603 Finally, I've found that thread. This is for you guys asking about the Laser Rifle! I don't know what kind of love, but CCP is positive about it -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:18:00 - [14] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Wow so I hate to admit it but thanks to the Black Eagle challenge, I tried AR for the first time since Closed Beta with no sp into AR at all. It was so easy that I was top of the charts by staying at a very far distance an ADS killing reds. It made me really see how OP AR is and how crappy all other weapons really are... even my beloved SG. I knew it was bad but I had no idea it was that bad. It actually made me furious to see how easy it was. As a scout suit I was taking down mediums and heavies before they even knew where I was because I was so far. They would hide behind obstacles with their back to me and I'd finish them off. Hell... I was mowing down suckers from hip shots. As a senior software engineer I have to finally say DUST 514 is a horrible piece of software. Their devs should be embarrassed. I wish I never tried the AR because for the first time since closed beta, I have no intention of capping out this week. It will be my first voluntary week missed and I'm not sure if/when I will feel like picking this game up anymore. All hail AR 514... CCP you succeeded in convincing me nothing else was worth investing in. To OP: I guess we will both end up leaving for the exact opposite reasons. Ironic. You missed the point, lol. I dislike the automatic AR and I complained abot the upcoming buff to the AR and the nerf to the Tac. Is it really that hard to understand? EDIT: It' even in my damn signature! -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2069	Posted - 2013.11.16 02:06:00 - [15] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: ''which already was a superior gun in terms of accuracy, ROF, DPS, charge mechanic, etc...'' And inferior in terms of Overheat mechanic, More sp to get to proto, Insane PG usage,less range than a weapon imitating it,etc... Not to mention the TAC AR IS a copy of the Scrambler rifle. Maybe it was NOT needed the TAC-AR range nerf,but the range buff on the scrambler was clearly needed. on other notes. You might say the ASCR is solid. But in no way its better than the weapons its imitating. a Simple ''Toxin AR'' with Prof 4 can rip a hole in your helmet at 40+ mts while you are hitting the floor and lamp posts with all the recoil the ASCR has. The ASCR is a solid CQ weapon,strangly enough,but it does not OUTSHINE regular AR variants... The Imperial Scrambler is the best weapon in the game right now. Not saying it's the easiest, which is the Duvolle. I think that, after the range buff, the Scrambler will be the primary target for all the community's QQ. On a side note, the Scrambler doesn't take more SP to get proto. The Tac takes more SP, since you need Operation Lv5 and Proficiency 1 to use the Duvolle Tac. And the Tac's mag is really limited, so the overheat on the Scrambler is not really that different: The Tac has 18 rounds and slow ROF. The Scrambler can shoot 15-20 rapid shots before blowing up in your face. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"